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Publishing with a purpose

In an exclusive interview with BCBookLook, Eve Rickert describes her journey to becoming a publisher.

October 01st, 2024

Eve Rickert lives on unceded W̱SÁNEĆ and Lekwungen territory.

The transition progressed from science to publishing, founding her press, and publishing books on relationships, ethics and nonmonogamy.


Thornapple Press is a Canadian publisher of non-fiction books that discuss relationships, love, sexuality and relational ethics from unique and underrepresented perspectives. This includes books on consensual nonmonogamy, kink, sex work, harm reduction, LGBTQIAA+ identities, families, mental health, disability and related topics.

BCBookLook: How did you come to be a publishing professional? Was it a longtime dream?

Eve Rickert: I actually started out my professional life training to be a scientist. I got a bachelor of arts and sciences with a concentration in biology, worked in cancer research for awhile, started a PhD in ecology and evolutionary biology, and ended up getting an interdisciplinary master’s degree in environmental studies. In graduate school, I volunteered as an editor for the journal Environmental Practice, which was based at my university. I moved to Canada (via marriage) after getting my degree, and spun my wheels for awhile trying to figure out how to enter the Canadian job market as a biologist. In the meantime, I started taking freelance science editing jobs and taking courses in SFU’s editing certificate program. I also did two internships, as an editor at Conservation magazine (in Seattle, now Anthropocene), and as a journalist at High Country News (in Paonia, Colorado). Based on that experience and coursework, in 2008 I got a job as an associate publisher at D&M Publishers Inc. I actually got two job offers that week within a day of each other. One was the editing job, and the other was in the herbarium at UBC. The UBC job paid more, and was much closer to what I’d originally trained for. But I’d discovered by then that as much as I loved science, I didn’t want to commit to a single field, and I loved the constant flow of new material and ideas that I encountered as a writer and editor. I decided to commit to publishing. D&M at the time owned Greystone, which publishes popular science, so I took the job for the opportunity to work on science and environment books.

I’ve done a few things since then I’ve been really proud of. In 2010–11, I led the team that developed the exhibits for the then-new Beaty Biodiversity Museum at UBC. After leaving there, I founded my first company, Talk Science to Me Communications Inc., which provides a full suite of publication support services (writing, fact-checking, editing, design, consulting, etc.) to clients primarily working in the natural science and sustainability fields (though as you’ll see below, we do a wide variety of work). In 2013, I co-founded my press, then called Thorntree Press and based in Portland, Oregon, and in 2014 we crowdfunded and published the first edition of More Than Two, which went on to sell over 175,000 copies over 10 years. In 2018, I was hired as the publisher at the Royal BC Museum, where I spent four years modernizing their program and published several important and bestselling books, including Spirits of the Coast, Mushrooms of British Columbia, What Was Said to Me and Pressed PlantsPressed Plants, coincidentally, was the last book I produced at the museum, and was written by Linda Lipsen, the collections curator at the UBC Herbarium—so that was a neat full-circle moment! (Unfortunately, the museum’s new CEO decided to discontinue the publishing program, which until then had been BC’s oldest continuously operating book publisher, after I left.) I’ve also had lots of moments where I’ve thought “I can’t believe I am publishing something by this person!”

BCBL: What challenges did you face with your first publishing company?

ER: When my first co-author and I crowdfunded the first edition of More Than Two, we started an LLC based in Portland, Oregon, basically just to hold the funds and handle the production costs. We didn’t actually intend to start a publishing company; we expected the book to be a one-off. But just a couple of months after More Than Two came out, two different authors approached us about publishing their books, as well, and my co-author was working on a second book (a memoir). So we held another crowdfunding campaign for those three books, which also succeeded. It continued like that for a couple more years, until it was basically, “Well, I guess we’re publishers now.” My team at Talk Science handled all the editing and production.

My business partner and I split up in 2018, and in 2021 we reached an agreement for me to acquire his shares of the press. At that point, I had stopped publishing new titles while we resolved our legal disputes, so I didn’t publish anything in 2021. I decided to rebrand the press and bring it to Canada, under Talk Science—since it was the same team already, anyway. During the time that I’d been working at the Royal BC Museum, one of my editors, Hazel Boydell (we’d worked together back at D&M) had been handling day-to-day operations, and I promoted her to associate publisher. The rebrand and move was when I really got to think about what I wanted the press to be and do. We’d built a niche for ourselves publishing thoughtful books on sex and relationships—books that brought forward unique perspectives, offer challenging ideas, and that focused on ethics and consent—books for “sensitive overthinkers,” as one of my authors once said to me. We’ve made that our mandate, and have been broadening our list from books focused on nonmonogamy to books on kink, sex work, harm reduction, LGBTQIAA+ identities, families, mental health, disability, addiction and related topics, as well as shifting our focus to Canadian authors.

The move to Canada actually proved to be a major hurdle and a significant expense. I took some big and unexpected tax hits on that, and we struggled with positioning our first season (fall 2022) with new ISBNs and a new brand. But we got through it thanks to the success of a couple of our top sellers. The legal issues with my former business partner and co-author—not just ownership of the press, but copyright to More Than Two—were also lengthy, expensive and draining, dragging on for almost five years.

BCBL: What does Thornapple mean and why did you choose it for the name of your publishing company?

ER: The “thorn tree” in “Thorntree Press” was the hawthorn tree, a reference to Hawthorne Street in Portland, where my business partner and I first met. I wanted the new name to call back to that but be different. Hawthorns are also sometimes called thornapples, and thornapple is also one name given to plants in the genus Datura. Both hawthorn and Datura have medicinal, ritual or magical uses in some cultures. The name “Thornapple” seemed a fitting name to acknowledge the press’s origins while evoking our vision of books that are both healing and transformational.

BCBL: What is your current booklist? Please provide titles and brief descriptions.

ER: We have 27 books in print, and publish about two per season, so I’ll just mention some highlights and group them by theme. The full list is here.

  • Polysecure: Attachment, Trauma and Consensual Nonmonogamy by Jessica Fern (2020) is perhaps our best-known title, and offers a take on attachment theory that is both novel and inclusive of nonmonogamous attachments. She has two other books, The Polysecure Workbook: Healing Your Attachment and Creating Security in Loving Relationships (2022), a companion to Polysecure, and Polywise: A Deeper Dive into Navigating Open Relationships (2023), which provides a conceptual framework, tools and exercises for dealing with some of the bigger challenges in nonmonogamous relationships. Fern’s fourth book, Transforming the Shame Triangle, comes out next year.
  • Ask: Building Consent Culture (2017) is an anthology, edited by Kitty Stryker, of writings about consent in numerous contexts, not just the bedroom—including in families, hospitals, jails and at work. Kitty followed it up with her books Ask Yourself: The Consent Culture Workbook (2023) and Say More: Consent Conversations for Teens (2024), and she also has a fourth book slated for 2025 called Love Rebels, on taking care of yourself and each other in activist communities.
  • The Monster Under the Bed: Sex Depression and the Conversations We Aren’t Having (2020) and In It Together: Navigating Depression with Partners, Friends and Family (2023) by JoEllen Notte are groundbreaking, compassionate and practical books on navigating both sexual and nonsexual relationships as and with people with depression.
  • The More Than Two Essentials series is a series of short books by Canadian authors on focused topics in nonmonogamy. We’ve been publishing one a season for two years, and so far our topics have included nonmonogamy and neurodivergence, teaching, happiness, death, sex work and post-nonmonogamy. We have books lined up for next year on mononormativity and nonmonogamy and betrayal.
  • Books like How Do I Sexy? A Guide for Trans and Nonbinary Queers by Mx. Nillin Lore (2024), A Polyamory Devotional: 365 Daily Reflections for the Consensually Nonmonogamous by Evita Sawyers (2023) The Pegging Book: A Complete Guide to Anal Sex with a Strap-on Dildo by Cooper S. Beckett and Lyndzi Miller (2022), The Polyamory Breakup Book: Causes, Prevention and Survival by Kathy Labriola (2019), Love’s Not Color Blind: Race and Representation in Polyamorous and Other Alternative Communities by Kevin Patterson (2018), Claiming the B in LBGT: Illuminating the Bisexual Narrative, edited by Katy Harrad (2018), Playing Fair: A Guide to Nonmonogamy for Men Into Women by Pepper Mint (2017), and It’s Called “Polyamory”: Coming Out About Your Nonmonogamous Relationships by Tamara Pincus and Rebecca Szymborski (2017) are all pretty much what they say on the tin.

BCBL: Your current title, a second edition of More Than Two, has exceptionally high printing qualities, especially the embossed cover. Is this going to be a signature feature of Thornapple books (i.e. exceptional book design quality)?

ER: I picked up high editorial and design standards from my time at D&M, and it’s affected all the choices I’ve made about Thorntree/Thornapple from the beginning. I think we invest a lot more in editorial than a lot of publishers do, especially with developmental and substantive editing since we want to work with new and emerging authors. We’ve definitely always tried to keep design and print standards high, and that’s something that was really important to me during my time at the Royal BC Museum, and you can see it in some of the books I mentioned earlier. Our designer, Jeff Werner, has worked with me at both Talk Science and Thornapple for 10 years—we actually met in 2010 when he worked as a designer at the Beaty Museum, and he did a few Royal BC Museum books, too—and is always honing his book design skills. I’m especially pleased with some of our more recent books like A Polyamory DevotionalAsk Yourself and the More Than Two Essentials series. More Than Two, Second Edition, was kind of a special case, though, because of the legacy of the book and what it represented for me personally—we wanted it to be something really special. I can’t say that all of our books will reach quite that level. We also need to keep the design and production appropriate to the genre and the market, of course. But we do really love making beautiful books. Some of the books we’ve produced for clients of Talk Science to Me have also been really exceptional, such as The Recognition Sutras by Christopher Wallis (Mattamayura Press, 2017) and The Goddess and the Guru and Gifts from the Goddess by Michael M. Bowden (45th Parallel Press, 2017 and 2019).

BCBL: What other types of books do you plan to publish at Thornapple (i.e. memoirs, etc.)?

ER: I published a number of memoirs under Thorntree, and so far one under Thornapple, Better Halves: Rebuilding a Post-Addiction Marriage by Christopher Dale (2022). I feel like it was an important part of what we do, and I would like to publish more, but I want to focus on Canadian memoirs, and most of our pitches are coming from Americans. I have a couple of Canadian memoirs, or mixed memoir/commentary, under contract, but none with manuscripts that have been delivered yet. How Do I Sexy? did include a memoir thread running through the book, and a lot of the Essentials books also include personal narrative.

BCBL: What are your broader societal goals with Thornapple (i.e. the wider goals, if any, you wish to accomplish with your publishing company)?

ER: As we discuss in More Than Two, Second Edition, I think the way we treat each other in our closest relationships iterates outward into the way we treat people in the wider world. I want to publish books that foster conversations and new ways of thinking about relationships, sex, consent and relational ethics; that equip people with tools to love each other better and take better care of each other and their communities; and that provide space for voices and perspectives that haven’t been well-represented in traditional publishing.

BCBL: Anything else you want to add?

ER: We are actively seeking pitches from authors! Guidelines are at thornapplepress.ca.

An edited version of this interview will appear in the Winter 2024 issue of BC BookWorld quarterly.

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